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December 27, 2011


@ Jo

You stated that "I am not saying that the patent is not about Multitouch, just that it does not protect the multitouch concept in general as this was already "published" before (notably by Microsoft via Surface) and therefore unpatentable in 2007."

Wrong! Checkout Wikipedia on FingerWorks, a company Apple acquired who had multitouch patents going back to 1998. These engineers moved to Apple and had patents prior to Microsoft's Surface. So you're making a false and misleading claim.



I am not saying that the patent is not about Multitouch, just that it does not protect the multitouch concept in general as this was already "published" before (notably by Microsoft via Surface) and therefore unpatentable in 2007.

As I said, this patent protects a specific implementation of a specific technique that is used in multitouch screens, i.e. a specific way of detecting a signal in a capacitive screen (based on a binary search algotrithm to quickly find a frequency).

@ Jo.

Read the patent background. It's all about the lack of multitouch and the patent is about remedying that. Secondly, in the patent claims, the wording of it is tricky. They use terms such as "a first tune bit" and a "Second tune bit." Alternatively it points out "the first frequency" and "the second frequency" which is referring to a first and second touch, correctly and technically identified as both tune-bits and frequencies. So you're not getting the verbiage you seek: Multitouch. But that's what the patent is about for sure


So which one of these researchers brought their product to market in a usable form factor?

How come other companies didn't have their own multi-touch products until AFTER Apple released the iPhone? The first gen Android phone didn't even have multi-touch, as it took Google almost 2 years to copy Apple's real 2007 multi-touch product.

Look at it another way. How come very few of the "concept" cars ever make it to the market? Because concept =/= implementation that makes sense financially and is easy to use.

This particular patent is just about a "specific detail" of a possible implementation (maybe very efficient) of one of the aspects of multitouch (just the sensing part) and not about the multitouch concept in general.

@ France.

Apple purchased FingerWorks in early 2005 which predates your example (see the link below). FingerWorks was first with Multitouch and that dated back to 1998. Apple bought the patents and the engineers came to Apple to work on the iPhone. The rest is history. Apple was first to bring multitouch to a smartphone, media player and tablet and yes that's protected by IP weather you like it or not Frenchy!


It is absolutely ridicolous to believe that Apple invented Multitouch. This was devoloped and shown years before the iPhone appeared by universites like NYU and Jeff Han.

With all of these patents, Apple will prosecute Android's manufacturers. Google doesn't care if Android breaks the law and causes its Android partners to be prosecuted for violating Apple's patents. It is Apple's duty to protect its IP. Otherwise, the IP can be nullified.

Once you patent something, you HAVE to sue.

@ Apple Shareholder.

I don't think that all of the 200 + patents are granted yet. We've been seeing them roll out over the years but there's likely another hundred or more in the pipeline. It's only going to get better for Apple over time. Give it time and Apple will make it even harder for copycats. On the other hand, some are licensing Apple's IP (like Nokia and IBM and likely more). So Apple is doing what they said and as long as the competition implements work arounds, they'll be free to compete. And that's good. Just don't take Apple's IP. It's pretty simple.

Payback time... 8-)

``The office will offer a monthly salary of NT$51,000 (US$1,683) for successful applicants with a master's degree or a bachelor's degree with two years of related experience in various fields, including medicine, physics, mechanical, electronic, information and chemical engineering. ''

You won't get a high level of competence on that salary option.

With all of these patents, how can Android and all of the copycat systems exist and not be prosecuted?

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