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If this happens I hope Apple remember the fact that USA != World and that much of the rest of the world not only uses different shaped power plugs, but also a substantial portion uses 220V vs. 110V.

While there are X10 products available in Europe and PowerLine products are also available as far as I am aware other home automation systems like Z-Wave and Insteon are not.

Wow really? HomePlug has been dead for 10 years. Heck, Apple killed them with 802.11. It had a bit of a resurgence a few years back in the Smart Grid community - but that was before the IP network NIST standards came into play.

HomePlug Dead? They were at CES 2010. Update your files Jeff.

http://www.homeplug.org/news/

Hello
This is really very informative post.You have described very well about that HomePlug and its very easy to understand.Its wonderful electronic device.Now I am very much interested in it.Thank you very much for such good information.

It is good to see the Apple, the industry leader for design excellence, embrace the HomePlug Powerline Alliance standards as having "no new wires" is a blessing. If you look at the back of my desk you'll understand my concern. Other companies, such as Negawatt Inc. (www.negawattinc.com) is taking this remote power access one step further, and it will be good to see what they are due to introduce in DistruTECH this year. Combining HomePlug with ZigBee and other organizations including enOcean, Tridium and U-Snap is he modularity wave of the future.

Makes me think of this article:
http://www.wandawanders.com/content/view/120/73/
Too bad patents are alway described in the most unreadable way. So I cannot check if it is like this, but it certainly feels similar.

HomePlug technology was the most known powerline technology in the US when the patent was applied for. However, other technologies are on the market. One such technology is UPA. Systems based on UPA technology look exactly like systems from the same manufacturer based on HomePlug, so some confusion is natural. However, performance differences exist. I work for a UPA company and believe UPA to be better.

But that is not the point. The point is that both UPA and HomePlug are being replaced by a new, emerging technology based on the ITU standard G.9960, also known as G.hn. This technology works over any wire in the home, not just powerline but phone wires, coax, twisted pair. And it performs at least 3-4 times better than HomePlug with a better quality of service for HD TV over the network.

The references by the blog to HomePlug, almost as a kind of ad, are unfortunate, as they may mislead people into thinking this is the single or best option for in-home "no new wires" networks. G.hn will be available by end of 2010 and is far better.

Here is a link to the group promoting G.hn: http://www.homegridforum.org/home

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Thank you for your feedback Mr. Egan. Apple's patent actually lists other standards being considered which include the following:

[Patent Point # 0039] "Other protocols in various stages of development that may be used include those being developed by the Universal Powerline Association, the European Telecommunications Standards Institute, the Consumer Electronics Powerline Communications Alliance, the Open PLC European Research Alliance (OPERA) being funded by the European Commission, the G.hn standard of the ITU Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), or the IEEE 643-2004 standard of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers."

HomePlug is emphasized more in Apple's patent than others and this patent was filed in 2009. So it's not an old patent application. That said, I see that G.hn standard is one that is listed, as noted above, and wanted you to be aware of that point.


Well Jack... plenty of walking dead show up at the shows. Doesn't mean much, just that there are parties with an interest in continuing to push the zombie. HomePlug included.

The origin of HomePlug were in home powerline communications where CAT5 didn't exist. Clearly a stop-gap. Then 802.11 happened and HomePlug was nearly put in the grave. Who needs in home wired communications now a days? Then a few outspoken members in the SmartGrid community tried to revive HomePlug. That effort was largely squashed in the last couple years as the NIST SmartGrid standards came out - were HomePlug's nowhere to be found.

Best of luck HomePlug - you're a great technology - must be just a few decades too early ;)

As a more than casual follower of elctronics and their development I enjoy seeing new ideas or a revamping of old ones. Yet it will be nice when some of these ideas can also include some plans for reasonable pricing with them. So many items are completely beyond the reach of many prospective customers. Well, we can hope can't we?

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